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What will my reaction be to Half-Blood Prince after the last book?

I still feel like the series peaked at OotP for me. Every volume has felt better than the last except for this last one--I'm still wigged that anyone, Rowling included, believes that Snape's motives are ambiguous, justifying leaving Harry in suspense at the conclusion of this book. I found Harry and Dumbledore's pensieve jaunts puzzlingly expository, and was waiting--am still waiting--to find out what was going on during those. Tom Riddle's history could have been related in two pages; what the heck happened in those pensieve jaunts that made them so crucial? I want there to have been more motivation on Dumbledore's part than exposition, or the idea that Harry had to see those moments for himself to gain understanding of Voldemort and of himself. It's not enough.

I loved the main plot of the book, the main plot being the Half-Blood Prince. Did I know who it was? Hell, no. The concept that "Prince" was a last name never crossed my mind--even when Hermione brought it up I couldn't see how that fit in. I didn't get it until I saw the chapter title "Flight of the Prince."

But I still believed that Slughorn gave him that book deliberately. Bah.

Will the last book draw it all back together for me? Will those unanswered questions finally fall into place? Or will I be happier admitting that HBP was the weak moment in the series for me and let it be?
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Date: 2005-09-29 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverhielm.livejournal.com
My opinions about this book are very similar to yours; it was the first time I couldn's say aloud "this book is the best of the series", wich I used to say of every book after finishing them!
The main feeling is that this was meant to be a 'postOtTp' and 'pre-7th book' book, with no real "personality" on its own. A lot of things happened of course, but more things remained held over. I hope the last book will make up for this!

Date: 2005-09-29 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
It could be--I've seen that happen, with an unsatisfying volume or episode suddenly having all its "huh?"s justified by what follows in the next. I'd like to see it happen here, obviously.

Date: 2005-09-29 11:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellid.livejournal.com
Personally I could not stand Slughorn - ambitious, cunning, and damn near a child molestor IMHO. I hope the Death Eaters turn him into Cheez Whiz.

And as for Snape...we'll see. I hope you're right!

Date: 2005-09-29 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
The only way it will prove otherwise about Snape is if there is a sort of triple-twist going on here, on Rowling's part: "Aha! You thought it was obvious that Snape was acting on Dumbledore's orders and that I'd left that there strangely, but I've gone even deeper with the twist!" That seems to me less likely though.

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Date: 2005-09-29 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ptyx.livejournal.com
I see it differently, because I hated OotP. I found OotP very disappointing, in many levels. The plot had started to make no sense at all. So I had already given up hope that the series would have a satisfactory ending. Surprisingly, I liked HBP, precisely because of the ambiguity JKR could keep from beginning to end. I didn't like the romance plot or the expository parts, but the mystery part was good enough to make me want to read the seventh book. I still don't expect JKR will be able to tie all the loose ends in a neat bow, but at least now I'm looking forward to see what she will do.

Date: 2005-09-29 11:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
I thought OotP tied itself together in very much the same way the previous books had--teensy things planted here and there that just made the reader scratch her head and say, "Huh. Wonder what that's about?" all were strung together at the end. I'm thinking of, for example, in GoF, how the Quidditch World Cup is this big chunk of the book and it's there for two particular things: to introduce portkeys and to have Winky sitting there all by herself. Which all fall into place at the end, and which you can't really "get" until they're explained, they're so subtle. OotP did that for me as well. HBP had it in places--the main plot of the Half-Blood Prince's identity, for example--but I had the Snape-Dumbledore-Draco plot semi-sussed almost right away, and still can't figure where the pensieve jaunts were going.

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Date: 2005-09-29 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anansay.livejournal.com
Wow. You've just stated everything I've felt. Had I taken the time to really solidify my thoughts, it would have sounded just like this.

In truth I am quite worried about the next book. She's created quite a complex story, even it started as a 'children's' and I only wish that she has the ability to wrap it up good and solid in the last book.

Date: 2005-09-29 11:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
I think she does; I've lost some faith because I believed she could sell me on anything but the Harry/Ginny in HBP failed to get me. (I admit she may not be trying to "get" the reader beyond what she did because she does have Harry and Ginny part, and may plan for them to stay apart, it having been a sweet little teen romance and not a lifelong love. Note how she never tries to make the trio into a quartet.) I believe the last book will be a good read but accept that expectations may be so high it might never completely measure up.

Date: 2005-09-29 11:43 am (UTC)
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Poor love - in a perfect world, each of those pensieve visits will contain clues to the horcruxes... in some way, and then it will all be justified - Maybe?

I only read HBP once, and I'm going to keep it that way for now - partly because like yourself, I had a lot of questions and part where I went WTF?!, but I want to let my 'feel' for it settle before I go back and start picking. Mostly - well, remember that chapter you looked over a long time ago? My poor little fic is way AU now, and I want to finish it before reading HBP again.

I bring this up, only to say that I finally went and started doing a final rewrite and edit, and read over all your notes again. It will never be outstanding, but your insights and suggestions sit well with the months of reading and writing HP slash I now have under my belt, and I'm finding it interesting to rework it into something I may not be too ashamed to publish.

Long winded as I always am, I guess what I'm saying is - Thanks!

Date: 2005-09-29 11:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
Why is this story not up already?! Post it post it post it! ^_^

I cling to your theory about the clues to the horcruxes. Please please please. (Of course, then I will have to say, "But why didn't Dumbledore just TELL him about the clues?" And hope that can be answered too.)

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Date: 2005-09-29 12:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kellyfaboo.livejournal.com
I thought the pensieve scenes were, by far, the weakest part of the book. If it weren't for the Snape details, and the sneaky way Harry started listening to him (in a way), I probably wouldn't like this books as much. In fact I felt the character details felt like Jo was just moving them about to suit her plot.

The bad thing about fanfiction is that it gives you a thirst for character driven plots and a distaste for plot driven characters.

Date: 2005-09-29 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
I won't say I didn't like the story the pensieve scenes told but I wanted to see what they were for, you know?

Date: 2005-09-29 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catherinecookmn.livejournal.com
Actually, I thought that OoP was a huge, rambling, under-edited mess, for which I partly blame the fact that she is so famous. (Ever notice that editors don't dare touch books by their biggest cash cows, once cash-cow status is achieved? Patrick O'Brian was another one whose manuscripts apparently never felt a red pencil once he started hitting the New York Times best-seller list.)

But I mostly blame the increased number and seriousness of the distractions that have piled up in her life since PoA came out: Movie deals, new spouse/babies, and most of all the horrible and prolonged nuisance lawsuit by Nancy Stouffer, which got zapped only after it was proved that Stouffer forged her "evidence". (It was no coincidence that JKR announced that she'd finally finished OoP a few weeks after Stouffer's suit was laughed out of court for good.)

As for HBP -- silly title and plot revelations aside -- I think that it's nearly up there with PoA, the best book of the series to date. There's none of the "oh, I'm just writing this because I felt I had to write something" vibe that is all over OoP. It was much, much tighter, and had scenes of sheer beauty. (The whole of Chapter Two, for instance.)

Date: 2005-09-29 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slinkhard.livejournal.com
Patrick O'Brian was another one whose manuscripts apparently never felt a red pencil once he started hitting the New York Times best-seller list.

And of course, Stephen King, whose latest books out-bloat even Rowling's.

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Date: 2005-09-29 12:51 pm (UTC)
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Oh, and would someone please kill off Grawp? Thank you.

Date: 2005-09-29 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ptyx.livejournal.com
I hate him too. Well, JKR has more or less brushed him under the carpet in HBP.

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Date: 2005-09-29 12:55 pm (UTC)
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For some reason, I think HBP made me appreciate OOtP more than I had in the past. I also was hoping that there might be some more dramatic tie-in with all the pensieve scenes, especially since we never actually see what Voldemort is up to except for the first few chapters. But, I also think the book has spawned some truly wonderful fanfic, which in my eyes always makes the book feel that much better. Even if HBP might have failed me on many accounts, there are certainly scenes and aspects that I'm glad I know have.

That being said, it's also difficult to look at HBP with what I wish had been in there (Harry and company dealing with Sirius's death).

Date: 2005-09-30 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
As I mentioned above, one of the remarkable things in HBP is that it shows us how deft Rowling was with the entire "cleaning of 12 Grimmauld Place" in OotP--that entire section is there so that she can disguise the introduction of the locket from the reader. Now we know.

Date: 2005-09-29 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] logospilgrim.livejournal.com
~I'm still wigged that anyone, Rowling included, believes that Snape's motives are ambiguous~

That is precisely what I shall be arguing during the Snape panel at Witching Hour. And I have excellent reasons for drawing such a conclusion... For the most part, metaphysical ones. He is not an ambiguous character, anymore than say, Harry Potter (for instance, why does Harry find it odd that Snape is not "upset" by Mundungus Fletcher's arrest? Why does this make Snape "ambiguous?" re: "Mundungus and Snape are supposed to be on the same side." This is the very same Harry Potter who was quite willing to rip Fletcher's head off earlier in the book, and for the same exact reasons that Snape condemns him. Yet no one asks themselves, "Wait... Could Harry be a traitor to the cause?"

But I am getting ahead of myself, as usual ;-) I shall post my little text on my journal after the convention is over.

Wish me luck, most beloved. I am hoping that the fact I shall be sitting there in the robes will make my arguments even more convincing ;-)

Date: 2005-09-30 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
You will have a remarkable audience for your analysis! And I am planning to be at it, and will try to give you many (polite and respectable) "Hear, hear!"s! Much love and good wishes to you, my dear one. ^_^

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Date: 2005-09-29 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ariadneelda.livejournal.com
I feel the same way about HBP. I liked it but I didn't love it -- with the exception of certain chapters and scenes. The Pensieve scenes and all the teenage romance didn't manage to captivate me. I could even say that I found them almost-boring. Like you, I don't get why the Pensieve memories should stretch to so many pages. I just hope it will all become clear in Book 7. I haven't lost my faith in Rowling's plot writing skills. Although I really can't see how she'll manage to tie all the loose ends in one book. I fear there will still remain a few questions unanswered.

Date: 2005-09-30 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
I haven't lost my faith in Rowling's plot writing skills.

No, nor have I! She's kept me going this far, certainly, and I still expect something bang-up at the end, even if it doesn't leave me saying, "Eeee, THAT'S what was going on in the last book!"

Date: 2005-09-29 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mctabby.livejournal.com
I'm with [livejournal.com profile] ptyx on this one: I like HBP more than OotP.

1. Harry, Hermione, and Dumbledore all become less annoying in HBP. Yay!

2. The "Draco lets in the Death Eaters via Vanishing Cabinet" plot, while rather convoluted, wasn't nearly as lame as the Prophecy. Yay!

3. Dark Lord backstory! Yay! (You might want the Pensieve jaunts condensed to two pages, but some Riddlefans are wishing there were even more flashbacks. Really.)

4. Almost no Grawp. Yay!

5. Blaise Zabini speaks! Aragog dies! Slughorn gives us another sub-genre of Slytherin! Yay!

6. Inferi! Non-verbal spells! Horcruxes! Probity Probes! Yay!

7. H/G and R/Hr are mercifully brief, and cause vast amounts of entertaining kerfuffles all over the fandom. *passes popcorn* Yay!

Yes, lack of Sirius discussion is disappointing, the Remus/Tonks is a total facepalm, and there are hundreds of FF.net writers hurling abuse at "Snape, the filthy traitor!" But that doesn't make HBP feel worse than OotP for me. I enjoyed HBP a lot on the first read, and still do.

Snapefan though I am... It's not All About Snape. It's about Harry. Main conflict between Harry and Voldemort, not Harry and Snape. IMHO, that's explanation enough for devoting time to Dark Lord history exposition. This book is about Albus passing the Evil-Fighting baton to Harry. Snape is merely a means to an end, and that goes for Draco too.

P.S. Hey JKR, how's Lucius doing? *peers curiously at Azkaban*

Date: 2005-09-29 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] satanbaker.livejournal.com
You might want the Pensieve jaunts condensed to two pages, but some Riddlefans are wishing there were even more flashbacks. Really.

That's basically what I'm thinking, really. The reason I like HBP so much is because she did those scenes. She actually explained him. And, you know, he's fairly human, for the most part. Because dude, people get way more fucked up than that just purely on natural brain function.

I found it kind of neat, though, that she left Lucius in Azkaban. It showed something about the workings of the Death Eaters, and that's really rather neat.

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Date: 2005-09-29 01:31 pm (UTC)
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Ooh, for me HBP is my favourite of all the HP books now.

Of course a good portion of that could because of the hothothot Snape/Draco--*coughcoughcough*--er I mean the strengthening and multi-dimensionality of the Dynamic Slytherin Duo's characters and personalities. *nods sagely*

Seriously, I liked the developments; I was drawn in by the plot and the backstories and the new characters; I loved the ending; I scoff at the very idea that anyone would think my darlings are Teh Ebil.

Plus, as I was predicting Snape as the HBP for six months prior to the book's release and people sniggered at me, I feel vindicated. VINDICATED, I tell you. *grin*

Date: 2005-09-30 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
Yay for your vindication! I loved what occured with Snape and Draco in HBP, but the ending as in the ending--Harry left in the dark--still has me flailing.

Date: 2005-09-29 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melpemone.livejournal.com
Let me see if I can actually explain this...

The trouble with me is that I relate to the books too emotionally. I have trouble judging the strength of the writing when I'm so involved in the story - in that sense, I'm probably JKR's ideal reader. :) I'd say that I love both books, but I thought HBP was the stronger of the two. I came out of HBP declaring it my favourite yet (well, after the crying), and I think that first reaction holds. However, I haven't been able to bring myself to re-read OotP in its entirety yet, and I'm going to need to do that in order to be able to judge it properly as a part of the whole. I love it, but it was just SO bleak, and I spent two days afterwards all numb and shellshocked. HBP felt positively cathartic in comparision.

In short, I agree with everything [livejournal.com profile] mctabby said above about HBP's high points, and those make it my favourite book, but that doesn't cancel out my appreciation for OotP. Most people I've read seem to consider it an either/or thing.

Date: 2005-09-30 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
I love it, but it was just SO bleak

Perhaps that's why I thought OotP was the more powerful text! I never expected Sirius's death; I never expected to see Harry so hornswoggled he'd mess up that badly. On the other hand I've been expecting Dumbledore to buy it for two-three books, and I saw the ending coming from so early on in HBP.

Date: 2005-09-29 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telepwen.livejournal.com
I've long since come to the firm conclusion that while JKR is a fantastic world-builder and storyteller... she's an awful writer.

Which is not to say that she doesn't turn a fancy phrase, 'cause she does. It's not things like her vocab or her sentence structure; all that's fantastic. (Though if someone could kill those elipses for me, I'd send them undying love and offer to have their babies.)

It's things like Grawp, or GoF!Rita Skeeter, or Lockhart. It's things like scenes I can't stand to read again. Sure, it's fun to have characters you love to hate, but to have characters that you hate so much that you can't bear to reread any scene they're in?

It's things like having plotholes so big that you can successfully hide the entire house of Sparklypoo for safekeeping in them. (Hey, we had to get rid of all those Sues somehow...) Things that we can catch on the first reading? Not good. Why she doesn't have a small team of fandom nitpickers working for her (hell, we'd pay her to do it!) is beyond me.

I like all the twists; they're fantastic. And I can understand why a lot of people would think that Snape's evil; they've just not analyzed the books to death and then taken out the dead-horse-stick to beat the books some more. I've argued it with a lot of non-fandomers, and when I pointed out even some of the simplest of arguments, you could just see the wheels turning in their head. "Heh. I never thought of it that way."

She drags things out to build suspense, and sometimes it works, and other times, you get penseive jaunts. Those drove me fricken' batty. And the Gaunts. Someone kill the Gaunts for me. She steals so much from fandom, she couldn't take the illustrious Marvolo line? I mean, WTF. But I digress. What was she thinking? Half the point of her books is that who you're born isn't who you become. The new message is: Who you're born isn't who you become, unless you're the villian that a baby an eleven-year-old can beat. Just kill her me now.

</rant>

Date: 2005-09-29 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catherinecookmn.livejournal.com
The whole point of the House of Gaunt was to kill off, now and forever (especially for those people who didn't get the hint with the almost-as-badly-decayed House of Black), the whole fanfic notion of "Oooooh aren't those evil purebloods sooooo SEXY! And such good dressers! They're much more interesting than all those boring good people!"

Now, there are well realized takes on this notion, such as McTabby's. But they are well realized precisely because the author doesn't flinch at depicting the not-so-nice things that go along with the velvet brocade. And McTabby does not soft-pedal the reasons why her society was doomed by modernity -- much as the Muggle aristocracy of the same period was doomed -- and the influx of Muggle-borns, among other things.

So instead of drawing on fanfic images of Those Wonderfully Cultured and Elegant Purebloods, she gives us a vision straight out of H.P. Lovecraft. And she's not going to apologize for harshing anyone's mellow over this. Just as she wouldn't want anyone admiring Nazis for having such cool uniforms, she doesn't want people oohing and aahhing over pureblood murderers for their fashion sense.

The big irony of the House of Gaunt, of course, is that its most "illustrious" member, after Salazar Slytherin himself, is the half-blood Tom Marvolo Riddle, Jr. It took an infusion of the hated Muggle blood to restore the potency of the decayed blood of the House of Gaunt.

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Date: 2005-09-29 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telepwen.livejournal.com
Also, I forgot one point. (Yeah, tell me about it. I'll shut up after this, I swear.)

We're so used to the high quality of some of our fanfic writers. Some of our writers are, yes, better than JKR is. It's a hushed over fact, but true. When you spend the intervening years digging for and reading fics of the highest calibre, you start to become disappointed with JKR's level, even if she's doing her best work.

At least, that's how it is for me.

Date: 2005-09-30 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
There are some amazing goddamn writers in this fandom, no question. It's addictive. I'm not sure if I should wish huge writing careers on them or selfishly wish that they just keep writing me tons of fanfiction. ^_^

true!

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Date: 2005-09-29 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mereol.livejournal.com
I want there to have been more motivation on Dumbledore's part than exposition, or the idea that Harry had to see those moments for himself to gain understanding of Voldemort and of himself. It's not enough.

I had the feeling that Dumbledore was trying to teach Harry how he was going to figure out the Horcruxes for himself. I think DD obviously knew he wasn't scheduled to be in Book 7 and knew Harry would be on his own so I'm not so sure that it was all exposition.

Also, I really don't think Rowling intended for anyone to believe Snape's motives to be ambiguous, the "don't call me coward" line pretty much explained his entire position, but I think I wanted to see it that way and Harry doesn't. He has never thought anything good of Snape, with good reason I admit, but he needs to come around on his own.

I think Slughorn did it on purpose too. Harry is to be the jewel in his crown, his ultimate Mary-Sue.

Personally, I loved this book more than I loved GoF and GoF is one of my all time favorite books, any genre. Mostly it was the rampant humor ("and the fifth group were Hufflepuffs") and snarky Harry. Most people love PoA to death, I'm sort of meh about it.

Date: 2005-09-30 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
My beef with Harry being left in the dark is that Harry's eyes have always been the reader's eyes, and for the reader to know something this obvious at the end of the book but for Harry to remain ignorant seems an affront to her protagonist. Harry seems clueless as a result. Of course, he IS, because the reader was given the chapter of Spinner's End and Harry was not. But to do that to Harry to and through the end of the book? Not right.

Harry is to be the jewel in his crown, his ultimate Mary-Sue. Is it okay that that makes me all aroused-shivery, that statement?

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Date: 2005-09-29 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kagyakusha.livejournal.com
I loved HBP -- granted, it's a conditional love based on how book 7 turns out but I did love it. I felt like she gave me a lot of things I had been hoping for -- I knew that Snape was the HBP the SECOND Harry saw the inscription in the book (actually, I stopped reading the book and turned to my friend who was also reading that page and said "are you thinking, what I'm thinking?" and we both said "SNAPE IS THE HBP" at the same time.) So the whole way through, every time Harry read the book, or followed instructions from it, I felt love for Snape.

Do I have criticisms -- of course. The book made me hate Hermione even more than OoTP had (and really that was TOUGH!), Ginny irritated the hell out of me -- OoTP had started to make me like her, and then HBP made me want to slug her. But overall, I felt like HBP was the only thing that could make me keep reading HP after OoTP CRUSHED MY SPIRIT.

Date: 2005-09-30 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
Heh, we had the same Ginny reactions! I was okay with her in OotP but I still couldn't believe she was destined to be paired with Harry because she'd had next to no interaction with him. Those are in the rules for a beloved protagonist--you can't pair him with someone not equally beloved by the readers, or there'll be mutinies.

Date: 2005-09-29 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whitealchemist.livejournal.com
The fact that HBP is still at the front of my mind way too often makes me think that its strength is in its afterlife as opposed to its strength as a book in itself... I don't mind saying that parts of it annoyed me, aside from the superfluous romantic subplots and the Pensieve-as-exposition - although I should probably emphasise that my issue isn't with the flashbacks themselves, which I enjoyed and felt were necessary to give Tom Riddle/Voldemort some much-needed depth of character, but what I resented was Dumbledore's post-Pensieve moments of "Now, Harry, I'll break that down into its main points for you just so that you and the readers know exactly why this is significant." That sort of patronising behaviour made me sick.

This will not likely be my favourite in the series when all is said in done, but what I loved about it (and what has been keeping me taking notes three months later and continuing to analyse the crap out of it) is its potentiality in terms of the threats that these characters will carry with them into Book Seven. Those moments when JKR teased out potentially horrific situations without building them to dramatic excess (the full extent of Snape's sacrifice, Lupin's implied relation to Greyback) made this book more engaging at times than any other book prior to it. If that makes this merely a transitional book in the series, fair enough, I'm willing to withhold judgement until Book Seven and just hope to hell that a lot of the juicy outcomes in my head end up being right ^_^

Date: 2005-09-30 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
Ha, I like what you have to say about the post-Pensieve breakdowns: they're sort of a contradiction, aren't they? If the purpose of the pensieve jaunts is for Harry to see it for himself, feel it for himself, then why does Dumbledore go on as he does?

I like everything you have to say here, actually. The book certainly has strength if we're wrangling over it like this, and if I'm feeling that I can't forgive it for being a transitional book--

You know what you just reminded me of? Star Wars. When the "which of the original Star Wars movies is your favorite?" question comes round and I choose the first, and am met with, "Wha? Not Empire?" I shrug, "I cannot forgive Empire for being an incomplete film." I never have been able to accept/forgive that.

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Date: 2005-09-29 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glockgal.livejournal.com
*hee* You're such a writer, when it comes to how you look at the books - plot and subtext and story arcs - I love getting a different viewpoint (mostly cause I and my pals totally disliked OoTP and totally loved HBP, so now it's all 'Hey! Lookit that! Others think differently from my little insular mindhive, yays!).

Although I'm a totaly loser at analysis and meta, I can't wait to yap about the books with you. But I can't guarantee that you'll get anything more from me than "Harry lurves and values Ron and Hermione, woohooooo!!" *G*

Date: 2005-09-30 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
Well, that's the fabulous thing about 'em, isn't it? That even Rowling knew that she could not make that Trio into a Quartet; that HarryRon&Hermione are not made to be added to in that way.

I think that if she wanted to do that she'd have had to flesh out Harry's love interest waaaaay earlier in the series. Even if it had gone Harry/Cho--which would have been okay with me; I was feelin' it in OotP!--she couldn't have made it HarryRon&Hermione&Cho, could she have?

Date: 2005-09-29 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinick.livejournal.com
As I've said before, there was NO choice: Harry HAD to be left in suspense, because - as his fight with Snape shows clearly - he still can't Occlude for shit.

If Harry _were_ told Dumbledore's reason for trusting Snape, then all Voldie (or any other skilled Legilimens among the DEs) would need to do is take one look at Harry, and Snape's cover would be blown wide open.

Date: 2005-09-30 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
I'm actually really with you on this one, but I still have a quibble: if that's the case, that Harry couldn't be allowed to know--then the reader shouldn't have been allowed to know either! The reader should never have been allowed "Severus, please..." or Snape's entire set of departing lines--all that should have been hidden and only revealed in the last book.

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Date: 2005-09-30 02:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pauraque
I didn't like HBP, but my hopes for book 7 are high. Why? Because odd-numbered Harry Potter books are awesome, and even-numbered Harry Potter books suck.

It's the reverse of Star Trek movies.

Date: 2005-09-30 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] potionmistress5.livejournal.com
good, true point.

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Date: 2005-09-30 04:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] potionmistress5.livejournal.com
OMG, I'm so glad to see this fact pointed out- I've said it to myself from time to time, and then, of course, glossed over it, calling myself an English major snob.

Yay for the ultra talented fanfic authors! I'm forever in their debt.

Date: 2005-09-30 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
Heh! What point do you think makes you "all snobby" to fix upon, then?

Date: 2005-09-30 05:21 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mizbean.livejournal.com
Coincidently I've been listening to the audio CDs of HBP in my car and I just finished the House of Gaunt chapter this evening and it's interesting to me that when I first read the book, I grew impatient with the pensieve scenes -- I thought they really brought the pace of the story down. Now I'm a bit more intrigued by the penseive scenes. I think that's partially because I don't see those scenes discussed that much in fandom and I certainly haven't seen any Gauntcests going around. That said, I still want to say "so what" at the end of that chapter and I thought JKR was way too heavy-handed in trying to show the pitfalls of pureblood ideology. I thought it was compelling enough before when I thought Riddle Sr. left his wife just because she was a witch, not because she was pathetic inbred outcast who tricked him.

But I still believed that Slughorn gave him that book deliberately.

And Ron could have ended up with that book instead!

Getting back to what I liked about HBP. I was unspoiled and I was completely blown away by the turn of events on the astronomy tower, nor did I guess the identity of the HBP and I consider myself a savvy reader, so I have to give credit where credit is due. JRK does spin quite a yarn and I admire the vision she had when she concocted this series.

Date: 2005-09-30 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
JRK does spin quite a yarn and I admire the vision she had when she concocted this series.

This is something I do keep coming back to--it's a hell of a series, even if some things fall flat for me. When people say, "Well, she's not a very good writer," or, "Well, she's not a good character author," or what have you, I can't nod with them--the series has its strengths and its flaws but, damn, it's a hell of a ride. That's enough for me to call her a good writer.

Man, I won't say that HBP blew chunks...

Date: 2005-09-30 06:46 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] jazzypom.livejournal.com
because it didn't - not in the sense of a tight plot, or a cheery turn of phrase. After the bloat that was OoTP, Ms. Rowling enrolled her muse on a pilates course and a string of slow release foods - and how! It's just at times... I felt a bit rushed by the book, if you know what I mean? This after reading it four times for various metas I still felt as if I were being pushed through the pages, because the author seemed impatient to have done with it. On the plus side, all the spaces in that book seemed to be filled in, whereas in OoTP there were certain gaps that only fanfic could fill, you know?

But I've found that my appetite for fanfic decreased after HBP, because all actions by all personalities were accounted for (and also, I can't be getting all involved in the characters to just have my heart broken as they are reduced to a plot point)).

I'll be reading the seventh book out of intellectual curiousity, not necessarily because I'm dying to see what will happen, in the sense that I've invested all this time in a series, and I need to get some closure.

Re: Man, I won't say that HBP blew chunks...

Date: 2005-09-30 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
It's interesting that HBP has made me want to see less fanfic that is "what could happen" and more of the kind that is focused on "what won't happen but damn, this would be fun, wouldn't it?" Before HBP I would have said that I liked both kinds, but now I'm more firmly in the latter category.
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