Chiming in some more on the "why non-con kink?" issue.

[amanuensis1]

olivia_lupin had a post recently asking, "Why do people like non-con in erotic fic?" I responded, with honesty (and reflecting what others including maeglinyedi had posted elsewhere),"We just do. It's a kink." olivia_lupin then asked very nicely if I'd elaborate on what I referred to as different flavors of non-con (and give it a personal touch regarding what aspects work for me). But for some reason I can't access that post now, so, here's what I wrote up, and I'll link her to it if she doesn't see it right away.



Sub-categorizing Non-con Kink


Seduction: You'd think this would be the "gentlest," and therefore the easiest way to introduce someone to the kink, but, dear god, it's not that way at all. Some people who like the most violent rape kink DETEST seduction--it can make them scream at the text and run away gibbering. Why is that? I don't know; maybe watching the bewilderment of the victim going from "is something happening here?" all the way to, "wait, how did I let that happen? Is it my fault?" is just too damn awful. Worse than the cruelty of rape that does not leave one with any doubts who was victim and who was aggressor.

Coercion: Lots of flavors within this. There's emotional coercion, and there's also immediate physical threat. I really get off on reading the emotional type. That would include blackmail, or threats to the well-being of others--anything where the victim has the option of saying, "No, I won't submit to this." However, the question here is whether the victim is allowed to walk away after refusing. In some scenarios the victim is permitted to do this; sometimes all he is gaining, by refusing to submit, is his right to fight his rapist. This is quite the divider among rapekink fans as well! To some readers, all desire flees if the victim is not allowed to kick and scream--for others, kicking and screaming is a turn-off; they want the victim to submit. (While I do like this, this is a tricky one for me. If the victim is forced to submit, I must be reminded at every turn how awful it is for the victim, and how very real and horrible the threat is.)

Coercion that is an immediate threat for the victim--by this I mean knife-at-the-throat, submit-or-I'll-hurt-you-worse rape. (I don't like this kind, as a rule. When rape carries the risk of death or dismemberment, it takes the pleasure of the fantasy out of it for me. In a fantasy rape, my imagination controls it so it doesn't go too far--there is something oddly safe about saying in my own head, "This is just fantasy rape--no one's going to get killed or anything here, see." While that does not necessarily make sense--rape itself is an evil act, too--it is what happens in my brain.)

Restraint and Rape: This is sometimes what people say separates rape from "non-con" in a fic, and that annoys me no end--the above scenarios are no less criminal rape. But certainly this is sometimes the only version that the reader can enjoy--or, conversely, the only kind they don't like. The victim is tied or overpowered in some way, and fighting will not save them. You think that would be it, but no--there can be distinctions here too. An enspelled victim who cannot struggle may indeed be "restrained," but that's often enough for a reader to say, "Oh, see, there, you just killed it. I can't tolerate it if the victim isn't struggling and cursing." And of course, the level of violence is another big trap--how is the victim overpowered, if that's the form of restraint? How is he abused? Some readers want their cuffs velvet-lined and the sheets satin; some want the victim half-conscious from a fist to the jaw. Big difference, there.

And now we come to a subgroup to all of these:

Level of arousal: Here's another biggie. Is your rapekink satisfied if the victim hates it, is fighting and unaroused the whole way? Or do you want him to respond with arousal? And how? Is it dragged out of the victim cruelly? Is he so surprised that he becomes a willing participant? Does the rapist taunt him for becoming aroused, telling him he must like it, then? One false move, and boom, there goes another fraction of your audience--which may not have been a huge number to begin with.

Comments

[gmth.livejournal.com]

Very interesting. I was nodding my head all the way through this, as you can probably imagine, but when I got to the end I started wondering what was up here with all the emphasis on the reader.

I'm curious: is this your thought process when you're writing non-con? And I don't mean just the stuff you did for the Pornish fantasy fest, which obviously had an audience in mind, but for your other fics? Are you really that concerned about where you're might lose the audience? Or do you just write your own kinks the way you want them, to keep you happy rather than the reader? OR, did this mini-essay evolve that way because that's what was required by Olivia's original question?

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

Oh! One, the emphasis on "the reader" was to avoid lines like, "Some people like rape if..."--so there could be no mistake that I was speaking of the person reading a fantasy, and not real people in real rape situations. Seems obvious, but you just know that someone could pop in and be determined to take that the wrong way.

Second, I've never thought about this, never tried to break it down. I put it together because olivia_lupin asked, and I never worry about "losing the audience"--I just know that the kink can be so divisive depending on what's presented. F'rinstance, if you show me the victim interpreting his reluictant arousal as love and turning into a willing participant, I'll most likely make retching noises and run.

[caemlyn.livejournal.com]

Seduction: It's all about the mindfuck

Coercion: Again with the mindkfuck, although I do enjoy a good physical threat tied in there too.

Restraint and Rape: Okay, here's where it gets interesting. The restraint can go either way, emotional or physical. I've always liked the emotional side more, but it's only the tiniest bit more than the physical. And when the two go hand in hand, I turn into a puddle of goo. You mentioned satin, but I only tend to like that kinda stuff if it's to be used to add to the pain and torture, not take away from it.

Level of arousal: Am so glad you mentioned this, one of my biggest kinks is tearing an orgasm from someone who very clearly does not want to come. Although, I won't stop reading something if they end up wanting it, 'cause I like that too. :)

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

Now, I'll tell you--mindfuck has sooo many permutations as well! I'll bet people wouldn't mind your elaborating on what you think those are. ^_^

[desdomonda.livejournal.com]

Yup, Yup ::reads more:: Uh Huh, Yup. Exactly. Very well put. I agree, except that sometimes I don't mind if the victim dies, especially if it's done well, or if it's original character (such as many of Juxian Tang's fics, where the characters are pretty much there to be maimed and killed) Sometimes I do. And if it's emotional I always cry. That part is such a great way to bleed off excess emotion. I think Non-con is one of the best ways to exaust yourself reading a story, there is so much emotion involved and it pulls the reactions right out of you. Few other kinds of fics can do that to me.

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

As soon as I know the victim is going to die, it turns the story into something completely different for me--it may be an emotional wringer that I enjoy in that way, but it messes with the arousal for me, even if it was hitting a lot of kinks before that. This is why I may paint characters in scary circumstances, but no fictional rapist of mine ever goes into the situation with the intention of killing his victim. This is one reason why those prurient murder mysteries that fill entire bookstore sections have no appeal.

[satanbaker.livejournal.com]

Is it bad that I get my wibblies from about all of those possibilities..? (and there seemed to be too many i's in there...)

Or do you want him to respond with arousal? And how? Is it dragged out of the victim cruelly?' Weeell. I much prefer that, to say.. 'Arrgh! I don't like this! Argh argh argh!' (ooh yeah, that made sense) Which just means L/H just makes my heart go 'Squee!' because you can just so easily see Lucius doing that kind of mindfuck.

(I seriously need to get my line of 'L/H -insert kink-' hats going)

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

*pulls out slave!Harry icon for youuuu* Hee, I love thinking that you read the list and went "Yum!" over it. Yay!

The divisions seen through a sappy lens

[cellia.livejournal.com]

It's interesting to me that you divided noncon mainly by the objective situation for the victim, when my mental categorization of noncon type is much more mushily emotional and tied to the rapist. (standard obvious noncon discussion disclaimer: all this is only for fiction etc etc)

Tied up or seduced, it's all about the relationship (I feel like such a stereotypical chick). Specifically, what the abuser feels for the victim. Is this a serial killer who's a stranger? Or a torturer enjoying an enemy's pain? Or is the abuser obsessed and focused and maybe even twistedly loving?

All the methods of coercion (blackmail, mindfuck, ropes) are just dressing, or degree along the same continuum for me. The same exact actions can be hot or eww or yawn depending on the emotional investment. The real divisions come when something in the story makes the actions cross over from sex, to sex/violence, to violence. Obviously all noncon/rape is a blend of sex and violence and power--and maybe for other people the violence itself is inherent to the kink--but I find that some stories get to a point where there's no eroticism left in the violence at all. It's just a torture that happens to involve genitalia.

Re: The divisions seen through a sappy lens

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

Oh, that's such a good way of putting it, because I suspect everyone thinks about the emotional element, if unconsciously, when detailing how they like a kink like this. Because I certainly do. In my fantasy universe, the rapist is often obsessed with the victim and has been for some time.

Here's an example that you've made me remember: there's a bit in the Peter Benchley novel Jaws where (none of this made it into the film obviously) Ellen describes a rape fantasy--"I let (the stranger) in and he has a gun or knife and threatens to kill me if I don't do what he wants." I read this YEARS ago and all I could think was, "This has GOT to be written by a man who has NO idea what constitutes a woman's rape fantasy. Jesus." Which may not be fair; maybe it is reflective of some women's fantasies, maybe the character was self-editing because she was embarrassed. But it's just the unsexiest description of a rape fantasy I can imagine.

[lycoris.livejournal.com]

This is very, very interesting. Question though, what about the use of drugs or drink? Is it a sort of mixture between seduction and coercian or is it something different? (for some reason, a lot of the non con in my stories seems to be drink/drug related)

Anyway, very interesting read and I must say, I agree with it, I think.

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

Oh, there's the question, isn't it? See, I don't think it's seduction, because it's a completely altered state of mind. In fact, I'd subcategorize that one as Altered States of Mind/Unconsciousness. If I ever try to make this into a more thought-out essay I'll make that distinction! ^_^

[jeddy83.livejournal.com]

And then there are people like me who might run away based on the point of view that you write it from. I really don't want to know what's in the mind of the abuser.

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

Another sub-subcategory! POV! Yes, thank you for that insight!

[loony-moony.livejournal.com]

Good rant and a good subject dear. :)

I really get off on reading the emotional type. That would include blackmail, or threats to the well-being of others--anything where the victim has the option of saying, "No, I won't submit to this."

Personally, I love blackmail in my non-con. It was one of my earliest kinks in Potterfandom, because it's so well-aligned with the general canon atmosphere. What gets me off even more is the personalization of the blackmail, the knowledge that the blackmailer specifically wants his victim and not someone else. It's the worst kind of monogamy (if the blackmail is more than one-time), very twisted and cruel and I just lurve it. >:D

When rape carries the risk of death or dismemberment, it takes the pleasure of the fantasy out of it for me.

Yeah, I agree. Rape can certainly include blood-shedding, whether it's from bad/nonextistent preparation or whether it's bloodplay, but not if it's a result of a struggle. That turns me off pretty quickly.

If the victim is forced to submit, I must be reminded at every turn how awful it is for the victim, and how very real and horrible the threat is.

That's what I liked about DDS so much; you walked that thin line perfectly, with Harry complying in a formal way even, but only as a last resort and only from the outside. He's seething and murderous-angry from within, a thing which helps him overcoming the trauma of being forced to sleep with another he doesn't really want. :)

There is another part to the whole Arousal discussion which DDS made me think of - whether the victim found his attacker attractive in any form before the incedent to the point he/she could see themselves doing something with it, and if not, why. Rape takes a whole new twist if there is attraction between the victim and the rapist, which approaches the line of UST-break pretty finely.

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

Yes! A salient point--does/did the victim find the attacter attractive? I have to admit, that's important for me. That's what makes it fantasy rape for me--I dig my vampires as the Lestat type, not the Nosferatu type. ^_~

[aux.livejournal.com]

*nods* Eloquently put.
I'm not going to re-hash anything I wrote then, since if you've been to that thread you may have seen, but I wasn't (and I'm not sure that Olivia was) prepared for such a scope of elements that went into why non-con is so alluring to so many; subtle and / or blatant balances of power, control, violence, arousal - and for me: hope for escape and perhaps revenge: 'wrong' blend, and it's either not arousing or just plain horrible.
In fact I think I mentioned one of your fics in response to Olivia's reply to my comment (seeing as I was all pink and raw from having read so many), in which I mentioned the line that from Their Worse than Killing Lust where Draco remembers that his mother is obligingly on holiday in Greece. For me that line made the fic - this wouldn't last forever in some form or other (I also secretly realise that upon Narcissa's return, things could likely get worse for Harry, but it wouldn't be this). A close second was the line: He's nothing like broken (I'm probably paraphrasing here) but that he was hating and still Harry, again made all the difference.
As Fran (dragon_charmer) added in her journal - it bothered her that there was hardly ever any non-con fic that dealt with the emotional repercussions of the act from either the abuser or victim's POV. Which is true - why? aren't we interested in going there? Is it too hard for us as writers to perhaps have to de-sexualise the awful act that we created as a kinky hot smut?

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

(seeing as I was all pink and raw from having read so many)
Ooh, that's SUCH an image to make me grin! Thanks for the comments about what you liked in the story; I too like having Harry unbroken and fighting. As for the emotional repercussions--I suspect the reason stories stop before those is that they're aimed at the non-con kink and NOT at the repercussions, which might indeed kill teh sexy. Though not always! Some people get off on the extended denouement of that as well.

[naltariel.livejournal.com]

My rape kink is the rare one in which the rapist had to rape the victim to save him. I'm not interested in the rape act perse, but the psychological mess it creates in the rapist and the victim's head really really turns me on. That's why my favorite fics are Rushlighst's and As Sharp As Sunlight.

esp if there will be H/C afterwards.

[sor-bet.livejournal.com]

Hi, it's not at the site where I usually go to read it (boozefest exceeded bandwidth), but I love this story and had to rec it to you.

Icarus' "Beg Me For It"

[harvest-blue.livejournal.com]

It's really hard trying to explain to people what's the difference between noncon and rape. When I mention that my story has noncon, people say, "So he gets raped?" and it's hard to respond back, "Not necessarily." I've been into all of the different kinds of noncon and rape things. I particularly like being inside the victim's head, but sometimes seeing it from the other side can be delightful. I have to agree with some other people one here that if I find out the victim is going to die at the end, I'm completely turned off. It's not that I won't keep reading solely for the emotional angst, however. On a side note, I do really like when the victim is forced to submit. Wow... this was very well put! ~Harvest

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

the difference between noncon and rape.
Yes, I don't distinguish between the two, which is why the subcategorization helps me explain. And, yes, death of the victim (or the risk of it) turns the story from smut to angst, and I might stick around, but it's all different at that point.

[limalatvian.livejournal.com]

I've pretty much had a huge thing for noncon ever since i started reading slash and i honestly thought for a while that i may be secretly sadistic, despite my pretty gentle demeanor in the outside world. I've never fully understood WHY i love noncon so much, but there is simply no denying it. you and switchknife have written the best noncon i've since found, and i must admit, i love emotional coersion and can't stand it when the character gives up or "falls for" their rapist. >_< however i have come across a story where one person was forced to rape anouther and i found it to be a really good read. I've never commented before, i've been following this journal and your fics for a good while and, well.....*HUG*

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

Thank you so much for delurking! And nah, liking noncon smut doesn't make you sadistic--it just describes how you're wired for smut (as long as it's all pretend! ^_^). And yes, I've enjoyed those "forced to rape" stories just as much, if they're done well!

[idlerat.livejournal.com]

Wow, this is terrific. That's all I have to say! :)

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

It wasn't exactly comprehensive, but it's sparked such discussion, and the whole thing may become more so as it goes on--I'm really happy I put this up!

[carl-ash.livejournal.com]

Very interesting and quite complete. Though I think you forgot the Imperius curse. Its kinda like noncon though it kinda takes away from the concept of fighting as you have no choice but to submit. This seems to be the HP fandom's equivalent to hypnosis in a non-magic using story. Once again, very nice.

[Oh, this only applies to fiction and fantasy. It is wrong to do something like this in real life and one should remember the fact that its fake and not true. If you are reading this cause you want to do this for real then I suggest you seek professional help. (Sorry for this, but in today day and age one must always point this out. One does not want any mistakes in interpretation.)]

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

Thanks--I think the discussion taking place here is going to make it far closer to complete, which makes me happy! And oh, yes, I sympathise with your need for a disclaimer. Sigh.

Cups and Tea

[smaragdgrun.livejournal.com]

I know this isn't the case for everyone, but the idea of a victim being somehow forced to unintended/unwitting/unwanted arousal is what does it for me. There are many different ways to get there -- your descriptions of seduction, coercion, restraint, etc., are all good!

It's the idea of the victim's underlying thoughts -- "I'm not like that" "I would never" "It's not my fault", that all fall victim to the unrelenting attack, and the victim must eventually admit that part of them *does* like it, that part of them *would* do it again, that while the situation isn't their fault, their body is responding, and their mind will eventually lose control of their body's desire.

Ah, the helplessness of it all! It's the arousal in the face of torture, pain, blackmail, rape, etc. The more "wrong" it is, the better the payoff when the victim does finally succumb.

Again -- just me. Definitely not trying to say that everyone who reads non-con is looking for this thrill.

Re: Cups and Tea

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

Great articulation of "reluctant arousal", emphasis on "reluctant"! I get depressed when the victim gets two degrees off vertical of an erection and decides he must be in love. The agonizing is what gets to me too.

[rubynye.livejournal.com]

When I first saw that discussion I quite hoped you'd put your oar in, and you have done so splendidly.

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

I'm glad I've sparked such discussion--it's making all of this seem so much more complete as it goes!

[gaeta.livejournal.com]

I like stories a great deal where the perpetrator is affected by the experience as much as, if not more than the "victim."

"Crucius" by Dolores Crane is an excellent example of this type of story, and another that comes to mind is one written just days ago, which I cannot now remember the title or author of, in which Snape beats and then rapes a sullen post-OotP Harry, thus unleashing a Harry he surely never expected to have to reckon with.

[teawithvoldy.livejournal.com]

I'm still confused with the difference between Non-Con and Rape.

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

So you understand: I make NO distinction. A non-consensual sexual encounter is rape. I use the phrase "Non-con" as a category/warning descriptor in fic headings, instead of the word rape, because it seemed to be the done thing when I joined fandom--I assume it's because the word is less loaded, and perhaps because it is less likely to attract attention by those googling "rape" sites on the internet.

But I use non-con and rape interchangeably. "Non-con" is not a subcategory for rape, for me--they mean exactly the same thing.

[cleverthylacine]

I don't want to read ANYTHING where the 'victim' isn't enjoying what's done to him/her, whether s/he consented or not. And it's so frustrating to me because I really really do not want to read a story where one person is not having fun and I loathe hurt/comfort for the most part.

I prefer a lower level of violence, but the big thing is I don't want to read about someone being tortured, I want to read about people being made to enjoy things.

In other words, 'arousal' isn't a subgroup for me, it's the whole enchilada. I want fantasy non-con, not the genuine article, and I wish to God people would label things this way. There is nothing arousing for me about plain old sexual torture. It makes me ill and gives me nightmares.

[ptyx.livejournal.com]

Yes, you've expressed my feelings very well!

[glockgal.livejournal.com]

And that's just the thing. So many people who don't get the whole non-con genre think that these fics always end Stockholm Syndrome style - the victim falls madly in love with the rapist and grows to realize that the rapist loves them and blah.

But that's not the point of good non-con and that's not the focus. You your set of definitions, you really concentrated on the beginning and during acts themselves, not the repurcussions or the feelings aftrwards; and in all honesty, that's what I'm reading non-con for. I already know how horrible the repurcussions are and that whatever follows isn't gonna be pretty or pleasant or puppies and roses. But the way it happens, from beginning to the end of the actual act? That's the interesting stuff.

And it doesn't have to be just the one act; it can be a one-shot of a sexual scene or a buffet of various scenes, but, it's all about the fantasy, and not about the dealing with the trauma. Cause we all know there will be the trauma.

Wah. I love people who can articulate and think the same way I do!! *clings*

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

it's all about the fantasy, and not about the dealing with the trauma.

For much of non-con kink, YES. When people read a lot of this stuff and then get caught up in the thoughts about the aftermath, there's nothin' wrong with that, but I do think it takes the experience away from kink and into a different emotional experience. If that makes any sense.

I recall one of those late-night discussion sessions (where it's so late, it doesn't matter if you've been drinking--the discussions all sound like you have been! ^_^) with a male friend, and in the process of swapping stories I told him a fantasy of mine that involved non-con and blackmail, and his reaction was, "But then someone comes to rescue you, and THAT'S the person you fall in love with, right?" I could only shake my head and sigh.

[atdelphi.livejournal.com]

*nods* This is just brilliantly put. I like the distinctions you've drawn, because there've been times when I haven't been able to put into words exactly why I like some non-con stories and not others. For instance, I love every one you've ever written because our tastes are in sympatico and you've the talent to deftly pull off such harrowing situations - but I'm otherwise somewhat hesitant to try a rape story by an author I don't already have confidence in.

It's funny how just a little skewing of the situation can change things entirely.

I tend to read seduction, and emotional coercion, and restraint - and for me, the story's not enjoyable as erotica unless the victim is aroused, even forcibly (else it's solely a depiction of violence.) After all, that's the appeal of a rape fantasy to me: a forced surrender of control, and the knowledge that one's not at all responsible for one's own pleasure and desire and fear.

One non-con kink of mine that wasn't covered here, though, is that of the rapist who isn't aware he/she is commiting rape. That blurred line of consent, twisted justifications or tragic good intentions - properly written, it can be a delicious little mind-fuck indeed ;-)

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

is that of the rapist who isn't aware he/she is commiting rape.

Oh, lord, I forgot all about that--I have a particular fondness for the truly clueless rapist, ignorant because of different customs or alien topology or even young age, doing the "Gee, you must be enjoying this" perpetration thing. Thank you so much for reminding me!

[cursive.livejournal.com]

This is great! I want to play...

But I got carried away, so I turned it into a post on my own journal and here I'll just say - thanks for giving me another cue to think about this.

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

Oh, wonderful! I'm so glad the discussions continuing to expand!

[notrafficlights.livejournal.com]

The first two are what's in it for me. They're very much mindfucks in a lot of ways. I like changing the roles I inhabit in these fics, or I take to multiple roles at once, so I like something in it for both parties involved. So obviously I prefer some tamer versions of coercion, but yeah. Nice work for plotting it all out and such.

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

Heh, coercion ain't always all that tame! Sometimes it hits so close to home it makes me more scared than if it's the tied-down-spreadeagled variety of non-con. ^_^

[zeroambi.livejournal.com]

Those who wish to clarify they way they use it, if differently, are invited to do so--my disagreement doesn't mean you're not welcome to say your piece. ^_^

Okay, don't say you didn't ask for it. ^_^

Just kidding, there is no real disagreement, just *so* many nuances of views and concepts.

I like me some rape/non-con since my teen days of horrid romance novel consumption. But for me (and I have read it from others too) it's highly depending on my mood if a non-con story pleases or displeases me. Yeah, I'm fickle like that.

For example, when I first read TDAHW and TWTKL on pornish_pixies I was like "ack, ack, ew, noooooo!" Rereading it yesterday I was more like "Oh, yes, yes, more, harder" *erm*

So, this are two totally opposite reactions to the same stories, just because the first time I was maybe in a rather fluffy mood (no I don't show consideration for my moods, when some porn is thrown my way, why do you ask? *g*) and yesterday, with an own L/H non-con bunny hopping around in my head like mad, I was already set on non-con beforehand.

What ataniell said about proper labeling of non-con stories got me thinking, too. If they were my stories, I would have labeled TDAHW and TWTKL probably rape/torture rather than non-con/kink. Maybe not for a post on pornish_pixies but for a post elsewhere. But that's just me.

Also, I don't think I would label a story containing seduction non-con. This may be because of my concept of seduction, which is, that the reluctant/unaware party goes from "Huh? WTF?" to "HeyCool!" (or at worst "Well, should have seen that coming." For example, Snape being laughed at after a hot night with Harry)

With drugs and deliberately dosed alcohol we're reaching coercion land, I think, and this is where for me non-con begins, but categorizing is always a very tricky thing.

So, end of blubbering.

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

Good illustration of the subtleties here--and it's funny that your description of seduction is very different from my idea! In my head, seduction doesn't end with "Hey, Cool" and isn't as minor as Snape being laughed at--it's the victim whimpering, heartsick and guilt-torn at "letting it happen." So many different levels of this stuff!

[lobelia321.livejournal.com]

What I like about this post is that you explain everything quite coolly and calmly without ranting either in favour of or against non-con kinks. You really tried to outline all the differentiations, including ones you don't like yourself. So: very interesting! And educational!

Ah, the world of slash. Slash turned me onto the non-con kink so hard -- well, I maybe have more of the sub/dom kink but before I discovered slash I thought 'sub' was a type of sandwich and 'dom' the Russian word for house! Whoo, have I come a long way.

*is happy*

[amanuensis1.livejournal.com]

(Eep! Who's that in your icon?) I definitely have my biases, as far as all this goes, but I'm glad you didn't think they overwhelmed the post. Thank you, fellow non-con fan!