Being "in a fandom."
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It's hard to sustain fannishness for just one thing. And yet, we're only as deeply fannish as we can be when it is for just one thing.
That's how it's been for me with HP. (More specifically HP slash, but let's allow the source material to stand for the smaller focus.) For the most part, I still eat, sleep, and breathe it, but it's a different eat/sleep/breathe than it was at the beginning. At first I was devoted to writing fic, reading fic, viewing art, commenting on fic/art, meta and responding to meta. Over the years it's become something else: reading fic, viewing art, commenting on fic/art, interacting with the friends I've made through HP (and with whom HP is still a large part of our discussions), reacting to disillusionment over the canon, and thinking about writing fic more than the actual writing of it. ^_^
You'd look at that evolution of my obsession and you might say that a lot of that is not HP; surfing livejournal is not merely HP; sympathising with someone over their grandmother's illness is not at all HP; discussing the 300 trailer is not at all HP. But I'd respond, I would not have a livejournal if not for HP. Not just that HP brought me to livejournal; I mean that if HP were not in my life I would be unlikely to want to sustain the journal. When I talk to someone about Torchwood or Pet Shop of Horrors or their cat, there's still this sense of connection that we became interactive friends because we share or once shared that fondness for HP. There's this bit from an old French TV show where Sherlock Holmes's character quotes something, and then says, "Shakespeare." Watson says, wait, that's not Shakespeare, that's Dickens. Holmes quips, "Tout est Shakespeare. Même Dickens," (Everything's Shakespeare. Even Dickens). (ETA: Or is that "Tout sont Shakespeare"? Here I admit my monolingualness, despite all that study.)
All through that, yes, I have had other interests. You might even call them fannish; you might even call them fandoms. I'm not sure I would, because I think fandom implies major dedicated interest. Yes, even as I adore HP fandom, I do watch television, see movies, read books. Stories, in prose and in audio and in visual media, are my life. I do not ever want to have children because that would cut into all of that and I'd effing resent that. I've never missed an episode of 24, never missed one of the new Doctor Who. I have even scribbled a ficlet for each of those sources, and have read a bit of fanfiction for them. Am I in their fandom? I don't really feel I am. I'm a fan, yes. But there needs to be more, needs to be a sense of, "I love this thing, I am really dedicated to thinking about these characters/situations, am highly needy to know more about their off-screen lives and how they'd be in situations that I dream up. I want to see pictures of that and read stories about that and you know what, I have the stories in my head I want to see and I know no one will write them precisely the way I want to see them written so I gotta do it, in fact I can hardly wait to do it, where's my Microsoft Word icon, new document, yes, yes, yes..."
No, I don't think that "in fandom" must equal "fanfiction writer/fanartist" for everyone. Some people have no need to create in that way, and so can't be held to those criteria. But I think you have to want more than the canon, have to think about what's beyond the canon a lot, be needy about it. If you don't die of squee a bit when you discover that someone has drawn a picture of your OTP from the canon, I don't think you really have a deep enough devotion to be "in" the fandom. For me, that latter's a really good criterion; my heart pulses faster when I see the words Harry/Lucius, Harry/Draco, Harry/Sirius on a link in
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Some of that is because I really, really, really, really don't want another fandom than HP--I'm spoiled by its vastness. I read Lois McMaster Bujold's The Sharing Knife some months back, freakin' loved it, searched the 'net for any fansites devoted to it. I really wanted me some fanart of the characters. There isn't s**t out there for it. So I squelched my disappointment and thanked my lucky stars again for having been thunderbolted into HP, the fandom which has entire communities devoted to skirtporn and SnapeSlash. Am I eager to stay in this fandom, to actively resist being sucked into another? Hell, yes. Will that matter, will my character be any less if it does happen one day? Hey, you try hiding from a determined thunderbolt.
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Date: 2007-03-25 02:34 pm (UTC)I've dabbled in other fandoms, but mostly in the form of drabbles written on request. The only thing that I've written anything longer than a ficlet for of my own volition was the new Battlestar Galactica, and that didn't last long. I wrote 2 ficlets, and that was all I was compelled to write, and then I stopped watching the show.
I've been a passive consumer in a handful of other fandoms: Highlander, Farscape, Angel: The Series, among others. But I was never sparked to write, and my interest in reading waned after a while.
I love Supernatural, House, and a few other fandoms that I've seen all over my flist, but I'm not sparked to read or write in them. Canon is enough. HP is the last thing that really, really sparked me to create and participate, and I'm content to remain here until something - if anything - sparks me anew. I need the spark, and if it happens, great; if not, that's fine too. I'm still interested and involved in HP, and while I'm apprehensive about what will happen in book 7, I'm not ready to preemptively bail.
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Date: 2007-03-25 02:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-03-25 02:39 pm (UTC)Some other fandoms, on the other hand... Well, PSOH fandom = Leon/D, with perhaps a little Papa D or Grandpa D or Tetsu thrown in. If you're lucky. And it's pretty much the same with other anime fandoms.
For instance, probably 4/5 (or more!) of anything Death Note you find is L/Raito or Raito/L, and the remaining amount has some variation, but not much. And there's practically no Mikami/Raito or Raito/Mikami, despite the fact that Mikami considers Raito to be a god and would do anything he asked. Noo... of course everyone and their dog go for the rival slash in L/R. :P
In Eyeshield 21 you can pair pretty much anyone/anything and it becomes almost-canon sooner or later, but the pairings in fic, art & doujinshi are still very limited. I mean, Eyeshield has more potential than HP! A good example of this is how some doujinshikas started randomly shipping Juumonji and Sena, which felt like a bit of a WTF pairing at that point, although I could see where they were coming from. Well, a few feeks later, there came a certain manga chapter... Sena was out of the field (they play American football), but his somewhat psychotic opponent (who is OTP with chains - they literally keep him in chains because he goes a bit psycho at times) was still heading for him, and Sena was all OMG because he's so small and he'd get crushed... and then Juumonji suddenly shows up in between them and stops Ikari all "hands off my uke" like. XD The über!OTP for the series is Hiruma(icon)/anyone-he-wants, though... and Hiruma/guns. But yeah, both fics and doujinshi in the fandom are rather limited, although there seems to be a bit more variation nowadays.
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Date: 2007-03-25 02:45 pm (UTC)http://www.student.oulu.fi/~miasaikk/eye/
I made a post about Banba/Harao and one about Hiruma/Agon on LJ ages ago. They are just two of the many pairings there... and I know one person who's written Banba/Harao, and I've seen one fic with Hiruma/Agon.
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Date: 2007-03-25 02:41 pm (UTC)If you liked TSK, try her Vorkosigan series. I found them better written. There is some fanfic in that fandom, but not that much.
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Date: 2007-03-25 02:57 pm (UTC)Not just that HP brought me to livejournal; I mean that if HP were not in my life I would be unlikely to want to sustain the journal.
Yes, exactly! I feel the same way.
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Date: 2007-03-25 03:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-03-25 03:41 pm (UTC)*has nothing further to say*
So, uh. Yeah.
*wanders off in search of coffee*
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Date: 2007-03-25 03:44 pm (UTC)I used to be a fan of HP slash. Nowadays I am a fan of HP slash fandom. This is the only difference.
And I'm so jealous of my fandom, I could never have another one O_O
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Date: 2007-03-25 03:57 pm (UTC)Such an interesting distinction! Yes, when I look at my flist and see the long-term people on there, and think about who's not posting much fic any more, and who's wandered away from HP altogether, I remind myself, "That is only MY flist. We are long-termers and the quantity of fic/art we're bringing to the fandom is less, but look at all these new names all over comment pages, all over the communities! It's still going strong." ^_^
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Date: 2007-03-25 03:52 pm (UTC)I qualify it that way because I tend to get bored and randomly read fic for shows that I've never even seen, let alone been fannish about. I am multi-fannish, and often have 2-3 "main" fandoms at once, usually with 5-6 "minor" fandoms underneath - I tend to consider a fandom "minor" for me when it's a fandom that would be main, except for the fact that it's a really, really tiny fandom.
But within any given week, I've probably read fic in 15-20 fandoms. And I'm sure as hell not in all of them.
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Date: 2007-03-25 04:07 pm (UTC)So rather than restate, I will link to this if it's all right. Because you said what I'm thinking FAR better than I ever could.
*aforementioned love and cookies*
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Date: 2007-03-25 04:20 pm (UTC)Oh how I wish I'd thought of this phrase myself. It would have made a perfect title for that post. :-)
I like the way you talk about the shift in your fannish activities here, especially the shift toward more interaction with friends and more thinking about fic than writing it. That's pretty much where I am, although even my thinking about writing fic has dropped off pretty precipitously in the past few months. My problem is I really, really don't want to lose touch with the friends I've made in fandom. You all are the most important thing I've gained from my time in HP, and for that reason alone I doubt I will ever leave 100%. There will always be that common ground, you know? It's the other stuff I am shedding more and more as time goes on.
Anyway, great post. :-)
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Date: 2007-03-26 04:32 pm (UTC)How could we ever let it go completely. How could I ever let YOU go! *cuddles*
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Date: 2007-03-25 05:12 pm (UTC)There's something about the multi-fandom nature of LJ that's really appealing to me, and while HP is a huge part of that, it's not the only part, you know?
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Date: 2007-03-25 05:37 pm (UTC)Thanks
Nyx
ps: it's "Tout est Shakespeare" ^_^ oh and sorry if i made mistakes, my english still needs to be tamed.
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Date: 2007-03-26 06:45 pm (UTC)*hugs you*
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Date: 2007-03-25 05:41 pm (UTC)But HP... oh my. I'm still very excited about it, possibly because it is so vast, and because I have so many different pairings that I love. I've never felt the desire to write in it(too intimidated by all the wonderful writers here, I think!). I do feel sad thinking there might come a day when I'm *not* excited about HP.
I have other things I like, and consider minor fandoms of mine - - Buffy/Angel/Firefly, Smallville, Torchwood, Life on Mars, PotC. Then there are the ones I like, but don't consider consider them fandoms of mine, as I've never sought out fic or art in them.
Just rambling now, but excellent topic for discussion!
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Date: 2007-03-26 06:58 pm (UTC)Yeah, I really think that's it--do you want to go beyond the canon, with your interest? If so, you're "in the fandom;" if not, you're more of a fan. A little strictly defined, and I'm sure not everyone would agree, but I like having categories to work with.
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Date: 2007-03-25 05:44 pm (UTC)That said, I'm still slaving away on my Snarry Games fic...
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Date: 2007-03-26 07:00 pm (UTC)And some of us might say, well, there y'go, then! You are actually living the dream, yay! ^_^ (I wish I lived in the same city as you. You're so much fun!)
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Date: 2007-03-25 06:02 pm (UTC)Amy, did my extra braincell just wander over your way for the weekend or something? Because everything you've said, (Switching Criminal Minds for 24, and CSINY for Doctor Who,) is exactly as I'd say it.
I have books I love far more than the HP series, but I am not driven to write in them. I have movies I've adored, and felt no tickle of an urge to go find fansites. I've dipped my toe into Firefly, and Crossing Jordan, and BtVS/A, but they've not really GRABBED me like Potterfandom did.
And they haven't given me friends like you. Friends who, I might add, are now more than 75% of the reason I'm STILL in fandom at all. For that alone, HP fandom will always have a special glow around it.
*Snoodles you!*
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Date: 2007-03-26 07:04 pm (UTC)There's no question--I still have the urge to produce fic, even if more sporadically now, partly because there remains an appreciative audience, many of which are friends like YOU, whom I really want to please with one of our common interests, y'know?
And of those fantastic friends like you--we could lose HP discussions altogether and we'd STILL adore each other, we totally would. *loves to pieces*
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Date: 2007-03-25 07:14 pm (UTC)That more than anything. There are so many books or movies or whatev that I find and I LOVE and I want to share with others and squee and read and see more - but it simply doesn't exist. And then I realize that this is what it's like for the rest of the world who isn't in a fandom - they read or see, they enjoy, they chat with a couple friends and then they move on.
HP has so spoiled me. I feel there should be a fandom for everything - and when I realize there's not, it only makes me that much more grateful that I happened upon HP.
Yes!!! *snuggles you like MAD*
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Date: 2007-03-26 07:12 pm (UTC)Isn't it TERRIFYING? That sad little world out there! It's why I do spend so much time online, have wrist and back problems from bein' at this computer so much--because the people I interact with daily at work etc. aren't going to mind-meld with me about the things I love so well. I remember being in school, before internet, and having to, you know, groom friends to watch the things I watched, read the things I read, hoping they might become half as big a fan as me so I'd have someone to speak with about the stories I loved. Rarely worked. Thank goodness my S.O. became as big an MST3K fan as me, or I don't know what I would have done!
*tackleglomps you*
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Date: 2007-03-25 09:50 pm (UTC)fkjaes;fakdj;fs O_O YES! I feel the exact same way! The vast majority of my flist is made up of people I met through
I've actually been trying to find another fandom - not that I would ever, ever leave HP, but the conclusion of the series is making me nervous. I completely understand what you're saying about being a fan of something but not being in the fandom - I follow a lot of TV shows, read a lot of books, and see a lot of movies, but I've been only vaguely interested in reading fic for, say, House. There's no "squee" factor for me - I mean, I'm thrilled when new episodes are on, etc., but I'm not excited enough to NEED MOAR!!! outside the source material.
I also think that HP fandom has a unique mix of characteristics that make for an unusually satisfying fan experience. (Er, this meta is really, really old, and written when I was a n00b, so be forewarned. : P) So I'm kind of thinking that HP might be a once-in-a-lifetime kind of deal - I'm not sure if anything will ever be able to satisfy me in the same way. *sigh*
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Date: 2007-03-26 07:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-03-25 11:43 pm (UTC)its "blind truth" at
http://slashpervert.livejournal.com/tag/blind+beauty
its got your harry/lucuis non-con and lucuis/draco non-con and sorta-kinda non-con/BDSM harry/draco when harry gets caught by DEs. its not done but i think it's youll like it!
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Date: 2007-03-25 11:44 pm (UTC):-) *winkwink* enjoy
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Date: 2007-03-26 12:21 am (UTC)I keep hoping I'll get my enthusiasm back, and soon. I remember I couldn't wait to do the next drawing...now it's all I can do to muster the energy to do anything. Maybe it's just simple burnout...who knows. I'll be at Prophecy regardless though :)
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Date: 2007-03-26 07:34 pm (UTC)It doesn't matter--I'll see you at Prophecy and we'll talk about past glories, hee! *hugs*
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Date: 2007-03-26 03:31 am (UTC)I hadn't thought about it before, but yeah, there's a difference between being a fan and being in a fandom. [nod] That's a useful distinction, definitely.
Angie
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Date: 2007-03-26 03:55 am (UTC)HP fandom will always permeate my life, but you know guys - it's okay to be more concerned with the lives of friends you've made through fandom than new meta, and it's okay to like other texts.
I consider myself a fan of everything I love, even if I'm not thinking or talking about it constantly - but I don't feel the need to define "Fandom" to make myself feel better about my shallow, casual interest.
I agree with a lot of what you say here - sometimes I'm amazed that it's been five years and I'm still swapping favourite plotlines with my friends. I have a tendency to get nostalgic - I was talking about witchfics.org and my Snape/Hermione stage just last night, in fact.
And j-fandom or anime or Heroes or whatever don't have that same single-minded obsession HP fandom had for me, but that's because the fandom isn't as big, or as clever, or as filled with meta and sociology and deeper meanings and abstract fic and AUs.
I love HP fandom because it's different, and maybe one day that lightening bolt will strike again but until then, I'll just be over here squealing mindlessly over whatever's taken my fancy lately and enjoying having such a variety of things to love.
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Date: 2007-03-29 10:55 am (UTC)Great post! You're so right. There is a difference between fandom and the things you're also a fan of. I'm one of those HP fans who don't write or draw or even compose long meta essays, but still HP sort of sets the tone for every other interaction concerning fannish things. It's like I can be assured that there is a general understanding cause we share the Potter love... Great thing, that!
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