The HP Bookie speaks.
Jan. 24th, 2006 12:39 pmKeep in mind I am working this out from the viewpoint of a reader looking for narrative logic and structure, which JKR has at least once buggered up in my opinion.*
1. Harry: Unlikely for a few reasons, though it would also work logically. Unlikely because a beloved hero's death is devastating to the reader, and a huge percentage of the readers are young people. Unlikely because nearly all of the text told from his limited viewpoint, and setting the denouement in any other viewpoint doesn't have the right feel for this long series. And I don't see Rowling foregoing denouement altogether. Still possible for him to die, though, because through the series the message of the books deals with "doing what is right" instead of what is easy, even to the point of death, and that death is not to be feared. Harry's been set on his path as one who must carry out his duty knowing it could mean death. But I still believe he'll be allowed to live, rewarded for his virtue by not being asked to pay the ultimate price. Losing people around him will have been payment enough. Plus, Harry's suffered enough to deserve a happy ending. Likelihood: 25%
2. Snape: Snape's necessary killing of Dumbledore will have Snape believing that the only justice is for him to die for the cause as well. He'll want to die. Harry will only be able to forgive him completely--and forgive him he must--if he's dead and Harry has the bitter sense of "too late" to bring him to full forgiveness. Harry's last lesson to learn, after doing the right thing and not fearing death and that the world isn't divided into good people and death eaters, is that things aren't always what they seem, and that Snape is one of the greatest heroes of his cause. Pity Harry didn't learn it at the end of Book 6--I might lay less high odds on Snape's death if that had been the case. Rowling still might pull it out of the fire, though, if she adds the lesson that those wracked with guilt don't always get to take the easy way out--they have to live with their deeds and their guilt, because life ain't always that merciful. Likelihood: 85%
3. Ron and/or Hermione: I actually think they have less of a chance of dying than Harry himself. Before book 6 I would have thought otherwise, but I think Ron and Hermione have been made into a unit with their romance, and romance adds a layer of protectiveness (see Lupin, below). I could have seen Ron dying, before, but now Ron's death would not be as strong a moment for Harry (and thus the reader) because Hermione's grief over losing her romantic partner would overshadow Harry's grief over losing his friend, and that's just not on. That diminishes the reader's grief, it doesn't heighten it. So I don't see it. Losing Hermione, on the other hand, suffers a little less from that kind of diminishment--you can't really see either boy grieving less over her just because one was dating her and the other wasn't, can you? (Yes, it is a boy-girl dynamics thing. Whether that's "fair" or not, it's there.) But I still think the likelihood of losing Hermione is low; it's too devastating. Losing them both? Only if it's a bloodbath ending and we lose lots and lots of people, which I think is not high on the odds, but I'm not ruling it out. Likelihood: 15%
4. Lupin: I'd have given him high odds before Book 6--after Sirius's death he was all but a walking "Send me on with the other Marauders" target--but, as I say, romance is protective. I don't think he's likely to go anymore. In fact, all of Book 6 was a large "Save Lupin" campaign, by taking him away from any chance to be another mentor figure for Harry. Likelihood: 25%
5. Ginny: Pretty unlikely. Harry did The Right Thing by walking away from someone he cared about hormonally but not yet deeply enough, in the name of his higher cause and his fears (you can argue if that's claptrap or not, but I think that's how Rowling sees it), and I think he'll be rewarded for that by her surviving. Reunion is possible but I think if it is it'll be vague, an open possibility that they have to rediscover who they are and see if they can form new, deeper bonds. Likelihood: 10%
6. Neville: I'd have put higher odds on Neville after Book 5. The Could-Have-Been-Boy Who Lived who could meet his end making some noble sacrifice, not because he's some false idea of what a hero is, but is a true do-what's-right Hero. But the lack of Neville-time in Book 6 puts me off that theory. Still, it could happen. Likelihood: 20%
7. Draco: Draco's death would make no narrative sense at this point, it really wouldn't. We got the teensiest glimpse, in Book 6, of how Draco's not a killer, but that's only the babiest of steps toward actual redemption. If he stays rotten!Draco and dies in the last book, why have shown us that glimpse at all? And there just isn't time--not unless the 7th book is titled Harry Potter and the Heir of Malfoy--to show us Draco reaching his redemption and dying in some spectacular sacrifice before the series ends. There's time, however, to have him at least come to see the error of his ways and stay alive, with the hint at possible redemption in the future. And even if there is no hint of redemption, he's still a kid. Killing him as "punishment" would be wanton. (I will say, though, that I can see his death serving as punishment for his parent's misdeeds--but then we'll have to see that effect on Lucius and Narcissa, and both of them will have to stay alive to atone.) Likelihood: 10%
8. Voldemort: Sure, he deserves to die. The likeliest ending is his death--shoot, it's in his name. Justice demands he be shown he can't cheat death. And it's the easiest ending. Still, Harry might be confronted with a "I can't kill him or it makes me no better than him; screw prophecy," moment that are classic endings. Of course, the other classic addition to those take-the-villain-into-custody endings are the villain-gets-killed-anyway-when-trying-to-escape denouements. Likelihood: 95%
9. Fred or George: I have my suspicions on this one. I think most of us have a bad feeling all of the Weasleys can't make it. So, which? Arthur or Molly? I'll concede they have a fair possibility of dying, since parents would give themselves for their children any day. But they haven't proved to have much of a record at protecting their children, since their children refuse to stay at home and be safe. I'm up in the air on them. Bill? Well, he's already had his brush with danger and made it. Charlie? Yeah, that'd be a cop-out, wouldn't it, kill the Weasley with the least screen-time. Percy? There's a question, isn't it. I think Percy's less likely to die because he fills a greater function in the books as the Black Sheep of the family who doesn't die, but has to be dealt with, in all his never-really-fitting-back-in glory. But the twins--killing off one of the twins would be one of the cruelest hurts for the reader (even if the reader doesn't much like them); the remaining twin's grief would be our grief. And while it'd hurt, it still isn't one of the "main" characters. Nothing so unforgivably awful as losing Ron or Hermione. I really can see this happening. Likelihood: 35%
10. Bellatrix: Toast. Likelihood: 99%
11. Pettigrew: I give him Snape-like odds. It'd be easiest for him to die either as fitting punishment and/or part of whatever redemptive efforts he might make at the end, but he might survive just because Rowling might not allow him the easy mercy. Likelihood: 85%
12. Luna: Though I think it's unlikely, I can see her being the innocent person closest to Harry who does get offed. She'd be a good candidate for a set of smiling last words that add up to a refrain of Dumbledore's, given what she's had to say about the Veil: "Don't worry, Harry...one day I'll...see you all...again." Likelihood: 20%
13. Lucius: I think it's most likely he's left to serve his sentence in Azkaban and we don't see him again. Though if he does escape, he's doomed. Likelihood: 40%
14. Hedwig: This saddens me so much I can't even contemplate it.
ETA: Oh! I left off 15. Hagrid! I have to give him fairly high odds, as he's the last of Harry's mentors, and would consider it an honor to die protecting the boy. His death would be a fairly-played emotional wrench for the reader. Likelihood: 40%
*What I mean by JKR having buggered up once before is in regards to Sirius. I've come to think the reason Sirius's death bothered me so is not just because he was someone important to Harry but because it's not a death that the story structure supports. It made no sense to introduce Sirius in Book 3, set Harry up for an eventual ending where he and Sirius become something of a family with each other, and then kill Sirius in Book 5. Rowling has said she had to remove Sirius because Harry had to lose his mentor figures, as the classic hero must go to fight his battles alone--but it still did not make sense to introduce Sirius so recently, in that case. As someone else said, killing Sirius only orphans Harry twice, which wasn't necessary and makes for a sloppy narrative.
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Date: 2006-01-24 06:04 pm (UTC)Am I a bad person if I admit to feeling much glee upon reading the above?
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Date: 2006-01-24 06:06 pm (UTC)I really really would like Lucy to live. I like the Malfoy as a family, I don't want them that shattered. None of the members of that family should die...
What about the rest of the Weasleys? Surely they can spare one of two for the Grim Reaper... or maybe JK thinks that disfiguring Bill is enough :P
Even though I fear for Percy... I quite like him...
And yes, Hedwig will be quite bad. Same as with Fangs... I was pretty scare for him when Hagrid's hut when on fire...
Oh well. That's my two cents. Bye!
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Date: 2006-01-24 06:38 pm (UTC)And, oh, if I sounded coldly logical about Snape, believe me, I really really really really want to be wrong. I love the guy and don't want him to die.
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Date: 2006-01-24 06:07 pm (UTC)I don't think Lucius will die- because as evil as he is, it's still killing off Draco's father, and for some reason I think she won't do that.
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Date: 2006-01-24 06:10 pm (UTC)12. You know, there hasn't been a whole lot of Luna character death written, and even if it's not going to be canon, I'd love to see someone take on the challenge and explore that a bit. She's a fascinating character, especially when it comes to how she adapts and deals with new situations.
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Date: 2006-01-24 06:13 pm (UTC)That said, I agree that he wants to die, and that it's highly likely that Harry will allow him to be killed (I doubt he'll kill him himself - no sullying the hero). I expect you're right, that Harry will learn afterwards that Snape was good all along. He will then ponder the significance of that for all of three seconds, then attend a party with his friends. After which I will write many, many stories in which he dies a horrible death, one of which will be him choking on his victory cake.
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Date: 2006-01-24 06:18 pm (UTC)...boy, can I tell we're not in a Joss Whedon fandom.
*smiles wryly, uses Tara icon with heavy irony*
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Date: 2006-01-24 06:23 pm (UTC)And the Sirius-death made me sneer. It was, in my eyes, the poorest writing in the books. Harry (and, with Harry, the reader) wasn't given enough time to bond effectively with him, making him a poor choice to kill off. Giving Sirius a bit more screen time would have helped, and so would making Sirius a more sympathetic character (I really felt that the Snape-torturing he did as a kid turned a large percentage of readers off. After all, the kids who read the books are much more likely to be those who enjoy reading, and less likely to be the popular, sporty types that Sirius' character embodies--that seems like he'd be the guy the readers were/are envious/afraid of growing up, and writing him that way probably alienated a lot of us). Whew. That was a long, rambling aside, wasn't it? Anyway, brilliant insight, as usual!
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Date: 2006-01-24 06:46 pm (UTC)It turned *me* off. And I was right in the middle of the Snape/Black epic at the time I finally read that. Bleah. It took me weeks to get over how asinine and stupid (and in DD's case, appallingly manipulative) almost all the main characters were in book 5.
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Date: 2006-01-24 06:24 pm (UTC)2. Noooooooooooooooooo. I don't really care for Snape as a character, but the ending of HBP made me at least want to like him. I don't, but there's no way he can go, having made the Ultimate Sacrifice. I don't think the U.S. is death, because given the choice, I believe Snape would rather have AK'd himself than Dumbledore. THAT was his U.S.
3. Agreed.
4-7. Agreed
8. Hrm. Here is where I disagree. Does he deserve it? Yep. Will it happen? Nope. I think Harry & Co. are going to destroy all the horcruxes, making V mortal once again (which Harry specifically asked DD if this would happen) and V. will be imprisoned (somewhere, maybe not Azkaban) where he will live out his short life with a fractured soul, and die of old age. This was his biggest fear, after all.
9-10. Agreed.
11. Disagree, I think PP is going to have to live with his betrayal for all of his years. One of the major morals of these stories, for me, is the strength of true friendship.
12-14. Agreed.
15. Lord I hope the percentage goes to 100. I can't stand Hagrid.
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Date: 2006-01-24 06:47 pm (UTC)Wow, I really like that a lot! It would be absolutely perfect, his most terrifying death of all.
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Date: 2006-01-24 06:32 pm (UTC)Great analysis.
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Date: 2006-01-24 06:40 pm (UTC)I honestly don't think Remus will die and it irks me when people say that
1) Remus must die because Rowling must kill ALL the Marauders
2) Remus must die so he can be with Sirius
*gag*
I don't think romance is a protective, but the fact that it's such a minor plot point makes me think Rowling isn't setting Remus/Tonks up for tragedy. Unless she's going to kill Tonks so Remus can grieve and go on about how he should have given in months ago. But that would be lame.
Draco must live, because, as the youngest baddie, he has the most chance for redemption.
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Date: 2006-01-24 09:06 pm (UTC)True! Lame as a very lame thing. So, yeah, I think the romance plot protects him in this case.
And the "Remus must die so he can be with Sirius"--um, I'd have thought it could have gone that way once, but there's this little thing called Book 6 and Tonks, guys?...
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Date: 2006-01-24 06:58 pm (UTC)Except I do quite like stories where she's eaten as a last resort, because the angst is earth-shattering.
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Date: 2006-01-24 08:23 pm (UTC)*snort* What a quick meal that would be.
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Date: 2006-01-24 07:01 pm (UTC)Therefore, narrative symmetry makes it fitting that the last chapter of the last book isn't from Harry's POV and contains Harry's exit from the story.
Therefore, Harry dies.
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Date: 2006-01-24 07:58 pm (UTC)hatelovehate it when you do that.Well, I still give it a one-in-four chance.
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Date: 2006-01-24 07:04 pm (UTC)I also think Neville might die, which saddens me greatly. As well as Hedwig and Hagrid. I'm talking about deaths which strip Harry of his support and friendship, here, and while I don't think any of the Trio or Ginny will die, everyone else is, alas, fair game.
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Date: 2006-01-24 09:25 pm (UTC)Hedwig! Nooo!! *bawls*
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Date: 2006-01-24 07:19 pm (UTC)Of course, when I take the unrealistic view, I dream that she'll kill off at least 50% of the characters, main or not, because, damn, if she's trying to show a *war* going on, then it needs more significant deaths.
I'd love to see one of the twins (or both) die, but I would love it even more if they were somehow responsible for the deaths of some of their family members. After all, their products already played a role into getting the DEs into Hogwarts (and because I'm still O.o about the fact that they think it's ok to sell what are essentially date-rape potions). I doubt it'll happen, but oh, I can dream...
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Date: 2006-01-24 07:21 pm (UTC)If Snape dies, I foresee a mushrooming of time-travel fics.
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Date: 2006-01-24 07:32 pm (UTC)Nonetheless, I agree with all your predictions, except I think one of the Weasley twins percentage is much higher. Of all the Weasley's, Fred or George makes most sense.
What about Minerva?
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Date: 2006-01-24 07:46 pm (UTC)I... like animals more than people. >_>
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Date: 2006-01-24 08:03 pm (UTC)Unless JKR brings back Sirius in some way. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but I've always thought Sirius would come back in some form or other. It just can't end like this. Like you said, it just makes no sense.
I think your predictions are pretty accurate, though I hope that Snape will live. He really is a hero to me.
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Date: 2006-01-24 08:13 pm (UTC)I was hoping I was the only one who thought that. Damn.
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