Twist on the "how you know it's me" meme
Jan. 19th, 2006 10:17 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
I like the "top ten things that tell a reader it's one of my fics" meme, but I'm not so clueful as to recognize these elements in my own stories. You guys are boggling me with how insightful you are towards your own writing style. I mean, sure, I write certain characters a lot, and there are themes like smut and non-con, but I don't think about writing style when I write--I think about the specific story and where it's going and that's pretty much it. I just...write, the way that I do because that's what I do and how it comes out.
So, fine. A number of you have said you were able to peg my stories in the anonymous fic exchanges right away. Help me out here: tell me how. Yes, that's right, I'm asking you to do the meme for me. This is not a roundabout way of asking for compliments; I'd really like to know what I do that not everyone does in order to understand style better. And if it's just, "Well, you write those characters and you write non-con," let me know! That way I can know it's that simple and there's no other magic to it. (Well-meaning negative feedback is certainly welcome as well.)
So, fine. A number of you have said you were able to peg my stories in the anonymous fic exchanges right away. Help me out here: tell me how. Yes, that's right, I'm asking you to do the meme for me. This is not a roundabout way of asking for compliments; I'd really like to know what I do that not everyone does in order to understand style better. And if it's just, "Well, you write those characters and you write non-con," let me know! That way I can know it's that simple and there's no other magic to it. (Well-meaning negative feedback is certainly welcome as well.)
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Date: 2006-01-20 03:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-01-20 03:32 am (UTC)Well, darnit, thank you. That's incredibly sweet of you and I must be gracious even if I'm blushing and saying, "Eeek, but, I didn't mean...!" Seriously, that's lovely, thank you.
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Date: 2006-01-20 03:27 am (UTC)(in other words, it's all magic!)
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Date: 2006-01-20 05:00 pm (UTC)But at least I don't go on for pages of italicized thought a la Mercedes Lackey. That drives me BONKERS. ^_^
I've never noticed you having trouble with dialogue, jeebus! You make it look effortless.
(And I read that line above as "fangirl you madly with my left hand..." Which of course led me to wonder, wait, what does that mean her right hand is doing...? XD
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Date: 2006-01-20 05:17 pm (UTC)This makes sense, the more I think about it. Even in the Lucius/Dementors story I couldn't reduce the guy to humiliation. He processed what was happening and that's what saved him from breaking all the way.
I think, for all my fondness to see humiliation in sexual fantasy, I may break characters in body and submission and spirit but I won't ever snap their minds. They may weep and submit and even go all the way to acceptance, but there's always the spark of self-awareness that can analyze their lot and not be truly broken. They can always say, "How far I have fallen," and aren't in danger of mindlessness. Interesting.
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Date: 2006-01-20 03:33 am (UTC)1. Exquisite use of language, with exceptional attention to detail,
2. Somebody is squirming,
3. By at least part of the way through, the reader is squirming,
4. By the end of it the reader wonders if they're going to go to hell, and if it will be as much fun as what they've just read.
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Date: 2006-01-20 05:23 pm (UTC)I'm hoping that means my boredom with describing places or physical appearances and such is compensated for by other, jucier details! Unless maybe you meant grammarian detail?
Squirm. Oh, one of my favorite verbs, when used in a smutty or about-to-be-smutty context. Mmm!
*hugs you*
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Date: 2006-01-21 01:59 pm (UTC)I am happy to be branded with that assumption. ^_^ Yeah, the POV thing is something I do a lot, isn't it? I don't like pages and pages of italicized thought; that bugs me beyond all sanity. And first person isn't always what I want (I prefer 3rd as a rule), so, if the POV is tightly on that character--not merely limited to him but right in his head--I can tell you lots about the character's mood and thoughts without having to transcribe actual "But it's not like that, he thought. How can I convince him I'm sincere!" for pages and pages. Because people don't think in full sentences like that; it's jarring.
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Date: 2006-01-20 03:50 am (UTC)Which I appreciate, because it's realistic, and.. things. And you have a certain wordyness, that isn't really, really wordy, but it's like.. wordy-lite. You get the feeling without the substance.
... diet-wordy?
God, I need to sleep.
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Date: 2006-01-20 04:07 am (UTC)Excellent observation.
I've sensed that in a number of your stories, but hadn't found a way to express it.
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Date: 2006-01-20 03:53 am (UTC)2. Characterization is amazingly consistent and believable
3. The sex is Hawt
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Date: 2006-01-20 03:55 am (UTC)-- Harry is beautifully ruthless, 'though this is more noticeable if he's not enslaved. He's also fundamentally, in his soul-of-souls, a hero.
-- Someone ends up with small painful objects running linearly down their body.
-- Lucius is a sex god, 'though he's far more ruled by his intellect (pragmatism, power games, and survival concerns) than his dick. And he usually suffers. (And hey, stop that, will you? ;) I don't think Lucius has had any consequence-free fun since "Their Worse Than Killing Lust")
-- Snape is, well, malicious, no matter whose side he's on. And he's nearly always a top. He's also extremely competent, very sharp-tongued, and On The Winning Side, whichever side that is.
-- Snape hates Sirius. Even if they're having sex. Especially if they're having sex.
-- Sirius is a slut.
-- Draco will snarl and spit, but he subs beautifully.
Does any of that seem to be true for you?
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Date: 2006-01-27 06:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-01-20 03:57 am (UTC)Also: If
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Date: 2006-01-20 04:14 am (UTC)Well, if there's something humorous in the story, your humour is most easily recognizable 'cos it's darkish, rather twisted and peculiar. I dunno, when I read, cringe but laugh. Or, like, "oh my, ah-ha-ha, she didn't, *snort*"
You created a Lucius that has become a cliche already but that never is just cliche in your fic, that how good he is :); the one very controlled, smooth, aristocratic, with a lot of torture instruments at his disposal that he loves to and can use.
There's something in your writing that makes me read and love (to an alarming degree!) the things that I don't like at all in other fics. You can make one love non-con and BDSM.
You are a magician, really. I know you didn't ask for compliments, but I'm bad at analyzing things. I only know that when I read a fic of yours (or one that will turn out to be yours), I often squeal "Magic! This is magic!"
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Date: 2006-01-20 04:36 am (UTC)The tight pov is the most seductive element for me. As a reader, I'll know things other characters never know, which makes me a conspirator in the story -- or in surviving it.
The male characters seem ... well, male. In a wide variety of types, too.
Harry is a hero, in that he is the exceptional person who accomplishes what no one else can, or inspires others to do that, too. He has a genius for survival, that isn't luck but is the ability to learn and use what's at hand. That doesn't always mean he's admirable or nice, but he is the only one who can do a difficult task.
You're not afraid to break characters, to truly make them suffer or want to give up, because that reveals who they really are.
I recognize genre archetypes (from Shakespeare's History plays to Georgette Heyerish "the alpha male and the runaway") which you invert to explore new questions about the Potterverse characters. I still recognize the characters, because you've found how they might function in that template.
Your stories have satisfying endings, the right ending to the story question, which is often a happy ending for unexpected characters.
Even if you label a story as Porn Without Plot, I find a story goal drives events to a resolution. (And not just a climax {insertlaughhere}.)
It's immaterial if I like your characters, as I wind up understanding them.
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Date: 2006-01-29 01:11 am (UTC)Yes, I agree that the tight POV is one of my characteristics! Sometimes I'm going for serious "look at the ironies of the universe" voice (whether for drama or humor's sake) and then I'll go off into lofty-narrator voice, but otherwise, yeah, I do that.
I am just plain pleased by your finding the endings satisfying and oddly, strangely pleased by your understanding the characters, the latter because it's not something I'd dare to credit myself, if you see what I mean.
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Date: 2006-01-20 08:02 am (UTC)Right from go, the title. For those who know, that's a heraldic description, and a touch of detail that I appreciate from your style of titling: there's something in them that connect to the story, a lot of the time I can get some information about the story just from that. Like A Spell to turn Tigers to Butter - I knew it was going to be connected to a Sambo story, and the trick that was going to defeat them.
2. The opening sentence.
the story has a voice - Pure Lucius. Pure Amanuensis!Lucius. You have a style on your interpretation of Lucius Malfoy that is pretty much all yours - no one quite does it that way. He's smooth. He's sophisticated. He's damned tough - so tough that he could very well walk out of Azkaban with his will intact even after all of his good memories had been taken. Your Lucius has a core of surving strength, a self-concept so strong that it makes it hard for me to read broken!Lucius - and the one time I tried to write it, it just didn't feel right.
And that's all your fault.
3. Oh FUCK eee squick squick squick I can't stop reading EEEEEEEE!
I will read some of the most awful stuff - the noncon, the chan, the image of Harry painfully bound and covered in enchanted scarab beetles in burned in my brain forEVER - and it's so compelling I have to keep reading. I think it's because the POV from the characters is so well immersed that I have to accept what's happening - it's presented to me so authoritatively that there is little choice.
4. The types of conflict, and the way they play out.
oh sure, there is the man vs. man conflict. it's always there. but in your stories what drives the story is always the internal conflicts of the point of view characters.
Most writers make the mistake of using internal conflict in a way that paralyzes their characters. you don't do that. the internal conflict of your characters spurs them to ACT.
5. details of movement and gesture.
Lots of people will anchor a scene by describing the setting details. you spend time on describing the small actions of a character that tell more about them by implication than explaining to the reader how they're feeling.
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Date: 2006-01-29 01:42 am (UTC)Okay, the squick, I freely, immodestly claim as true. ^_^ 90% of the time I'm not going for squick--I'm writing it as though it's the sexiest thing imaginable. Which is often true as I like kinky stuff. But occasionally even I'm thinking "Eeek!"--that's what has happened in a few stories where I felt I had to one-up myself from previous stories.
The titles--I am so delighted you got the heralding refs! That story had a hard time finding its title. I decided I needed to go with something thematic since there wasn't any one line in the story that grounded the story for me (except for a couple too pretentious to act as title; you know how that goes). As I've said before, sometimes titles come right away and other times they fight me tooth and nail.
I am bug-eyed over your comments about the internal conflict. I sure wasn't aware of doing things that way, but, wow, yeah, that's the way I'd sure like it to be if I had to choose. Internal conflict is usually more interesting to me than mere "and he did this, and then someone else did that..."
And, ooh, I'm especially giddy over the last point! I can't bear to have unnecessary window-dressing--literally--in a scene. I don't want "white room" syndrome to plague my stories, granted, but I'd much rather spend time talking about the characters and what they're saying and doing than get lost in four opening paragraphs of description. Yuk.
Thank you so much for this--I'm too shy to even address comment #2 of yours, above. I'll just have to say thank you and blush.
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Date: 2006-01-20 09:50 am (UTC)It's not just the characters and the non consensual situations, it's not just the plot...it's that when I read your works I'm stimulated on different levels. It happens only with your stories that I'm FORCED to stop and re-read a line because I'm so impressed by the words you used in that one that I can't help but repeat it aloud, and I shiver.
It's how you explain the character's (in)coherent thoughts, be it Harry's dismay in front of his raper's body or Lucius's delight in front of his young man's reactions. It's how you decode everything the characters say and just explain it in such a brilliant way that I squee *inside*. And the little comments you make your characters say, or think, even if you're narrating with the 3rd person, like AWNSBNW's "Oh, he would feast on this boy" or SASKS's "Oh, I know that please". It just kills me everytime, and it's impossible not to notice it.
And the brilliant metaphors!
What else...the irony, the details in the sex scenes, the way the reader can never understand whether the author hates the rapist or supports him, the way you explore every tiny sensation (the belt sliding through the loops in AWNSBNW, Lucius drawing Harry's moans through the kiss in SASKS, Lucius thinking about his boy's perfect scent in What do you get for the Death Eater, Lucius touching Harry's pregnant belly in ASAS, Narcissa's nipple forcing Lily's lips in MTM and zillions of other things!)
I'd die to be raped by someone instructed by you!!
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Date: 2006-01-20 04:17 pm (UTC)...
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ahem. ... so true.
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Date: 2006-01-20 10:30 am (UTC)So. You know you are reading a story by Amanuensis because you have read the story at a break-neck pace from start to finish, your heart is pounding, your palms are sweaty, and you didn't stop for a single moment to get distracted by flaws or indulgences in the writing.
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Date: 2006-01-30 05:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-01-20 11:17 am (UTC)Ah, nah, just kidding. I couldn't actually think of anything. I don't think I could put my finger on anything, because as far as I'm concerned, if the story's any good, I won't be able to tell who wrote it. I hate glimpsing an author hiding behind the narrator's skirts; stuff that screams "Fabula wrote this!" could also be defined as "sucky stuff." Although, as far as the sentence thing goes, I do like the way you plot sentences, and the frequent and elegant use of parallelisms.
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Date: 2006-01-20 11:38 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2006-01-20 01:41 pm (UTC)But..weren't you going to post something about Sanguine? *_*
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Date: 2006-01-20 02:00 pm (UTC)I'll just finish this comment...
Date: 2006-01-20 02:58 pm (UTC)Re: I'll just finish this comment...
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